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How did it all get started?

Back in August 2017, Patrick approached Dewey Caddell about starting a podcast. "You and me riffing on various subjects or maybe just one topic or field. I don't know. It's just an idea and wanted to get your thoughts." A couple of months later they met up and brainstormed some ideas, recorded an initial episode (originally called "PodCast & Crew"), shared it with a few friends, and finally landed on the main thrust of an entertainment podcast. Sharing stories of what hold us back in the performing arts but also what keeps us going. 


On December 28, Why I'll Never Make It was born and gave birth to its first season: 13 regular episodes with Patrick and Dewey co-hosting, and 5 Tony Awards bonus episodes featuring Patrick and other Broadway performers and creatives. In Season Two, Patrick became the sole host of the show and introduced The Spotlight Series, featuring those making a difference in the arts and beyond.

Why such a negative title for your podcast?

Well, to be honest, it's not negative at all but merely the reality of this business. Most plays, musicals, books, TV shows, and films never become blockbusters or household names. Most auditions never lead to being cast. Most Broadway shows never recoup their initial investment.


Failure, or rather the lack of success, is a given. Rejection is common. And making it big rarely happens. Most of us get by from job to job, making a living and enjoying the modicum of success that we hope will come our way. But within this reality comes great lessons and inspirations and some funny stories along the way. 

It's fine to celebrate success but it is more important

to heed the lessons of failure.

- Bill Gates

But you talk to people who have made it.

True. While most guests are creatives who do work out of the limelight, grinding out a living by doing what they love most, there been such notables as *NSYNC's Joey Fatone and THE PROM's Caitlin Kinnunen. Yet no matter their fame or job position each guest opens up and shares their own setbacks in this business. 








Whatever applause may come pales in comparison to the days or weeks or months of rejection and persistence that precede any such recognition. And it is this central message that is talked about on the podcast, even with the most successful or recognizable guests.

What is The Spotlight Series about?

The life of any non-profit is not an easy one. So while these bonus episodes are a slight departure from the format of the show, Spotlight focuses on why people and organizations do the work they do, how they handle setbacks, and what difference they are making it people's lives. 

PATRICK OLIVER JONES - Host / Writer / Producer

As an actor and singer, Patrick has been in the performing arts both onscreen and onstage for more than 25 years. Originally from Birmingham, Alabama, he's brought his Southern charm and hospitality to New York City where his credits include National Tours, numerous off-Broadway world premieres, readings and workshops of new works, in addition to regional productions of classic and contemporary musicals.


He was in the original cast of FIRST WIVES CLUB in Chicago in addition to two national tours, THE ADDAMS FAMILY and EVITA. On camera, Patrick has appeared and done voiceover work in several national commercials as well as co-starring roles in primetime television (BLUE BLOODS and LAW & ORDER: CI). Besides the podcast, he has also hosted events ranging from large national conventions to intimate grand openings and one-on-one red carpet interviews.


But among all of his successes, there have been even more failures and setbacks such as show closings, being replaced, and hundreds of auditions that never went anywhere. “Why I’ll Never Make It” was created to explore the reasons actors and creative professionals don’t succeed while also challenging the notion of what it means to “make it” in the entertainment industry. Interviews range from such notables as LET'S MAKE A DEAL co-host Tiffany Coyne and actor Jelani Alladin from Broadway’s FROZEN to work-a-day actors, directors, composers, and teachers. They all share a common theme of how hard this business is, but each guest also shares their passion for the arts and what keeps them going despite all the ups and downs.


As the old song goes, “There’s no people like show people, they smile when they are low.” Patrick hopes listeners will find laughter and inspiration from the stories and experiences shared on this podcast. 

Hosted/Produced by Patrick Oliver Jones

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